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Poster: adks12020 Date: Aug 31, 2012 11:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Heard a lot of Bobby hating over the years.....

...but songs like the Tennessee Jed from this show http://archive.org/details/gd1972-09-28.sbd.bertha.34162.sbeok.shnf wouldn't be nearly as good without his oddball sense of rhythm guitar. The way he plays in this tune is really what give it the feel we all love. I think that's true of a lot of the Dead catalogue.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Aug 31, 2012 12:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Heard a lot of Bobby hating over the years.....

One thing I will never do is say anything bad about Bob's playing. A little rough in the early years, he quickly developed into an entirely unique musician whose sound was an integral part of what made the Dead the Dead.

That being said, when it comes to his frequent bouts of shrieking (Estimated)to his less than stellar fashion choices (macramed jean shorts) to his questionble lyrical choices (yes I'm aware he wasn't the main writer, but he could have said "Really, John? Are you serious?" when it came to screaming,fornicating felines in alleyways), he provides so much fodder for our amusement.

But, again, I will never say a bad word about his playing.

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Poster: user unknown Date: Aug 31, 2012 12:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Heard a lot of Bobby hating over the years.....

"But, again, I will never say a bad word about his playing. "

Agreed, until he attempts to play slide.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Aug 31, 2012 1:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Heard a lot of Bobby hating over the years.....

I think in his post-GD career, where he had played second or third wheel, he has done himself quite well becoming the head man and doing well for the most part. I think it has broadened his legacy. And I love Bobby. His antics make me laugh.

E- I find myself listening to Bobby about as much as Jerry. I've heard Garcia's licks for years and Weir is much more subtle (did I just write that?) and interesting, especially post '72. He is near unlistenable in the 60's at times and uninteresting the rest.

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Aug 31, 2012 9:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Heard a lot of Bobby hating over the years.....

You bring up a good point . Much of the most annoying behavior he did with the GD, seemed to lessen or disappear , the longer Jerry was gone( the "animal impersonation" part of estimated seems to have disappeared . And does he even do LLR anymore ?). Steering the boat, or sharing it with Phil, seems to have changed him .
What everyone has already said , and we have all said before, good and bad .
He was such an enigma,; one of the most interesting, unique, and tasteful players ever,, but at the same tim,e an almost brutish insensitivity , and indifference to taste . How long did it take him to figure ,out don't need to have any thing follow Morning Dew ; or at least pause a second or two ( insert long bitchy diatribe about song choices, in which "Easy Answers", and the end of "St. of Cir." are mentioned).
BUT, I love him...even though I replaced him in my dream with Willie Nelson . There is no singer I listen more to than Weir , except Garcia !

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Sep 1, 2012 12:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Heard a lot of Bobby hating over the years.....

This is a hot number.

http://tinyurl.com/d4eqqjj

Who woulda thunk if you looked at the date and placement in the set.

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Sep 1, 2012 7:54am
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Yeah, they really seem to be enjoying themselves on this . This is their third tune taken form Dylan's "Bringing It All Back Home" ( after "Baby Blue", and She Belongs To Me ") . This performance is definitely eye opening , and makes you wish they played it more often in the second set . This is an example of a nice cover, where they manage to make it feel like a Grateful Dead song .

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Aug 31, 2012 2:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Heard a lot of Bobby hating over the years.....

Not totally disagreeing with you - only when he tries a slide LEAD is it miserable... his backup slide on Althea, for example, is spot on.

My least favorite Weir is vocals on Lovelight.

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Poster: McKush Date: Aug 31, 2012 3:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Heard a lot of Bobby hating over the years.....

his slide guitar is about as good as his wardrobe throughout the 80s and early 90s

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Poster: user unknown Date: Sep 2, 2012 1:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Heard a lot of Bobby hating over the years.....

It is a matter of degrees.

Bob's slide playing, when compared to mine is , as you said, "Spot On." If, however, his playing is compared to , let's say, Sonny Landreth; Bob is an abominable slide guitarist.

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Poster: Tidewater four ten O nine Date: Aug 31, 2012 6:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Heard a lot of Bobby hating over the years.....

BUT:-

"Lazy Lightnin'" -> "Supplication" was not what the Dead was(sic) all about. Should have remained as Bob Weir solo material / fodder. The beginning of the end - IMHO. Can't see Pigpen singing along with that shit.

Yeah, his E'72 contributions and either side (from year dot to '74-'75-'76 were massive. I for one love all the cowboy songs, "Me and Bobby", LLR and all the 'Ace' stuff and (when he gave up writing songs and stole them instead) even all the later Dylan and walking blues covers. I ain't no Bobby-knocker, but that Lazy-Lightnin'-Supplication lounge lizard stuff ("Oooh, oooh, oooh") stuff is the pits.

Give me the Bobby that 'picked up a bottle, smashed him in the jaw' any day .............. even with the yellow dog!

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Poster: dark.starz Date: Aug 31, 2012 7:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Heard a lot of Bobby hating over the years.....

"Should have remained as Bob Weir solo material / fodder."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlRdBHs4MwQ

Kingfish rocked for almost two short years, add some more effects on the vocals there captain!

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Poster: Tidewater four ten O nine Date: Sep 1, 2012 12:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Heard a lot of Bobby hating over the years.....

Got it ............ it's covered in dust somewhere.

Kinda (just a little) liked "Big Iron" a bit and that Hoddinott (spelling from memory) could play the guitar, but ..... ain't listened to it for years. Listen to E'72 (the big box) with LLR quite a lot. Thank heavens Lazy f8ckin' Lightnin' -> Supplication ain't in that collection.

Still, if that's what floats your boat.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 1, 2012 6:33am
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Oh yeah, they kicked butt; best Bob effort by far in my view...the lead kid REALLY shined on Battle of New Orleans. Great, great stuff. It was the essence of the OMSN meets M&MU approach for Bob...IE, the band was the vehicle for really exploring that little garage rock band genre, prior to the overly slick, Heaven Help the Pathetic Sell Out or whatever the point was of the late 70s with Bob and his song writing/song selection, both in the DEAD and solo.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Sep 1, 2012 8:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Heard a lot of Bobby hating over the years.....

I really liked Kingfish via the official releases and a couple of shows I picked up - it's one of my regrets that they never brought the act to a place where I could see them for myself. Always had the impression though that it was basically Torbert and Kelly's band and Weir was just making up the numbers.

Robbie Hoddinott had a damn fine guitar sound - I have an idea that he fell on drug-related hard times in later years. Do you happen to know?

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Sep 1, 2012 8:49am
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Hoddinott, that dude can flat-out play! And I believe that "fine guitar sound" emanates from a 1955 Telecaster...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYXrgMAsLrw&;feature=related

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Sep 1, 2012 9:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Heard a lot of Bobby hating over the years.....

Here's one for Tell. Kingfish doing Battle of New Orleans at the Winterland, Feb. 7 1976

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB-49OeFPMY

And this one I found of Robbie Hoddinott today is just damn sad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U49nQ9hUQlw

Life takes its toll of us all, one way or another.

And how are things with you, Dennis?

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Sep 1, 2012 9:43am
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Been a short Summer for me as I was in Sri Lanka and the Maldives until mid-July. But glad it's just about over!

Hope things are going well with you. Nice to see you here and hope you'll hang around!

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 1, 2012 10:56am
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Ha--Jock sez "watch out for that fish, Mason...sneaky bastards!"

[hmmm, that is Mason, right?]

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Sep 1, 2012 2:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Heard a lot of Bobby hating over the years.....

Yep, same Mason who got himself all tangled up in some soccer goal netting a few years ago...

Hope you and your critters are well too!

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 1, 2012 10:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Heard a lot of Bobby hating over the years.....

Here it is, in fact, from March 1976:

http://www.wolfgangsvault.com/kingfish/concerts/roxy-march-11-1976.html

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Poster: ned the head Date: Sep 1, 2012 3:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Heard a lot of Bobby hating over the years.....

I guess I'm a little late to the party, but this is a better video;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZiDQ1JRCSk&;feature=relmfu

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 1, 2012 10:53am
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Ah, that's a good one you linked below, and I think my all time fav, from Mar, 1976, maybe available somewhere as well (it's from the SoCalNightClub of some repute--just can't recall the name right now!)...ah, the Roxy...duh!!!

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Aug 31, 2012 7:22pm
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I think the worst there is to say about Bob is that his contributions over the years are uneven. There is some great stuff and some cringe inducing stuff. It continues that way to this day. There's some songs he sings that he just CAN'T SING and I can't understand why someone doesn't tell him. But I continue to think he's a slightly misunderstood genius.

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Poster: dark.starz Date: Aug 31, 2012 7:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Heard a lot of Bobby hating over the years.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-AhJhiBYxs

Playin' In The Band.


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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Aug 31, 2012 8:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Heard a lot of Bobby hating over the years.....

You take LLR over Lazy Lightnin > Supp? Oh my goodness...

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Poster: Tidewater four ten O nine Date: Sep 1, 2012 12:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Heard a lot of Bobby hating over the years.....

any day - LLR is a song from the heart (and it sits well on 'Ace').

LL->Supp is Bob trying to turn the Dead into possible candidates for "Saturday Night Fever #3" - up there (more like down there) with "I Want To Live In America" (or whatever it was called) by Bob and the Midnites ..... now that would sit well with LL->Supp.

I dunno, maybe, just maybe, it depends on when you got on the bus. If it was around Skull & Roses / E'72, then 'LLR' (and other Ace material) blended in well. LL->Supp from any angle, to me at least, sticks out like a sore thumb - the antithesis of 'Dark Star'->'St,Stephen'->'The Eleven', etc., even LLR.

But, if you joined round about when LL->Supp was introduced into the set-lists, and you thought that was their typical fare ......... OH MY GOODNESS, poor you.

OK, like anything, it gives them the opportunity to stretch out (against a disco theme - but, heh, they started off as a dance band, well, after being a jug band) but that's about it.

Maybe Pigpen wouldn't have liked LLR either (despite the references to him and Janis) but I can't see him doing his shit to LL-Supp and keeping a straight face.

Oh my goodness, call the guys in the white coats.

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Poster: dupree413 Date: Sep 3, 2012 4:34pm
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I remember back in 1981 when Dead Set and Reckoning came out. That was how I got into the Grateful Dead.

Remember - this is long before utube, etc... .

So having not seen them before, whenever I listened to the album or bootlegs - it seemed that "Bob's" tunes were sang much more often (Minglewood, Stranger, Mexicali>My Uncle, Around>Sugar Magnolia)than "Jerry's". So since I knew Jerry was the unspoken leader I assumed he was singing Bob's songs and vice-versa!! Just a little side note.

Anyway (that was a long way into this, I know) I used to hear some of my friends say that Weir "tried too hard", "got annoying jolting his head back on every syllable", "had foolish comments", you get the idea.

I never had a problem with Weir. I thought he balanced out Jer really well. He did at times try to be " a rock star". But I thought his energy was pretty good most nights.

Weir's whole handling of downloads a few years back...I wouldn't say I dislike or hate him. But it left me a little distant from vault releases, etc.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 3, 2012 5:04pm
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"it seemed that "Bob's" tunes were sang much more often than "Jerry's". So since I knew Jerry was the unspoken leader I assumed he was singing Bob's songs and vice-versa"

Ha--I have to admit, this instantly made me think of my youth when I was trying to figure this out (late 60s) with NOTHING whatsoever to help...can't recall how I did, but somehow got it sorted.

It's funny how that works when you aren't seeing a band for whatever reason.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Sep 4, 2012 5:21pm
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2 words...Pepto Pink. That guitar was a riot.

I love the guy. I'm a big fan. He makes the band go a much as anyone else. he totally makes tunes like Shakedown and Deal really cook.